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In this episode, Lisa shares her hauntings that took place in a home in St. Cloud, MN. Does the typical nonbelieving husband become a believer in ghosts? Is it a ghost of a dead grandmother or is it a poltergeist? Listen to Lisa tell her story and make up your own mind.

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Jeramiah Pearce
Welcome to Minnesota ghost stories podcast. My name is Jeramiah Pearce and I will be your host. Do you enjoy sitting around with your friends talking about ghost stories, UFOs, or just the unexplained? That’s what we are here for. Minnesota ghost stories is where people like you and I share our stories, real people telling real stories.

Lisa
I have a story from about four years ago. We lived on the northeast side of St. Cloud over by Wilson Park. My husband and I, he was my boyfriend at the time, moved into a house in May or June of 2009-10.
What it was is the landlord was just renting the unit out because he met the girl of his dreams. They had another house. They were going to rent out this one before they sold it. They were going to fix it up while we were living there the first couple of months so he could turn around and sell it. We were going to buy it.
The first couple of weeks that we were there, nothing happened. It felt kind of creepy. New place, new scenery, new everything. One day I’m lying in my bed taking a nap and our bedroom door slammed shut. It was a hard slam. I got up ran downstairs and I told my husband about it. He goes oh must be the wind. I don’t know how it is the wind? There are no windows open or anything. He says the house is drafty and don’t worry about it. I didn’t take a nap that day. I was too scared.

My son who was about three and a half at the time had his bedroom in the back room. I put him to bed at night and he would cry and cry and cry and scream and cry that he didn’t want to be in there. I asked him why don’t you want to be here? He goes, my pillow talks to me. I go your pillow. Oh, that’s not real. Just lay down and go to sleep. He wouldn’t sleep in there. Every night it was the same thing. It was either his pillow or there was a baby deer inside his room. So finally I gave in to it and I let him sleep with this older sister because they have previously shared a room and everything was good.
Then my daughter started saying things like there was someone in her room. Her closet door would just open by itself. I didn’t believe her. She was a preteen who liked to make things up?

One night, my husband and I are asleep in the upstairs bedroom. We have the baby in there with us and our Jack Russell Terrier. It was probably about midnight, one o’clock in the morning. The dog is laying under the crib growling, viciously growling. I wake up and I look at him and say, what are you doing? What do you see? And he is just growling and wouldn’t acknowledge me. My husband wakes up and tells him to go back to bed.

I keep saying to my husband, I’m like, this house is haunted. There’s something wrong with it. He’s like, no, it’s all in your head, don’t worry about it. Like no, I’m scared. I don’t like to be here. I want to move out. He’s like, well, if you want to leave, just leave. I am like okay, whatever. I start looking for apartments and then I figure Yeah, might just all be in my head.

David would play in his room. That was my four-year-old. I would clean his room during the day but he would not sleep in there at night.

One day, I get up. I go get the laundry out of the dryer. Every time I’m in that basement, I am creeped out like somebody is standing behind me. I bring the laundry upstairs and I have one of those puffy couches, you know where the backs popped out and the cushions are puffy. I don’t normally sit my laundry basket on there unless the ottoman is pushed up to it. I set the basket on the ottoman. I go wake up the kids come back out, and the laundry basket is on the floor with the clothes all strewn about. At this point, I’m frustrated. I have had enough. I am screaming, and I’m yelling for whatever’s in the house to get out. I told my husband about it. Again, he tells me I’m crazy. There’s nothing there.

A couple of months later, we have a little get together at our house. The neighbors are all over and we’re talking having a good time. I go into the house and the neighbor boy goes, can I come into your house? So he comes into my house. He goes yeah, I haven’t been over here since when that happened. I was like what happened? He goes, Oh, you don’t know? No, what are you talking about? I just wanted to look at your house. Aren’t you creeped out? Why would I be creeped out? He goes, go talk to my mom. I go and I talked to his mom and I say, Hey, what happened in my house? Why does your son think that I should be creeped out? She goes, the last owner, the guy that you’re renting from? Well, when he bought the house, he bought it because the lady that lived in the house had died. I ask, where did she die? She died in my son’s bedroom.
That creeped me out. I went to my husband and I said did you know that somebody died in this house? He goes yeah. The landlord and I knew about it. We decided not to tell you and I’m like, so the house is haunted. That’s great.
I went and I got some holy water brought it home. I was going to bless the house. I was laying in bed one night, and I wake up to see my husband standing over my son’s crib. I ask, what are you doing? He goes, I just blessed every corner of this house and I drew crosses on you and the children. I am like, what happened? He goes, Oh, nothing happened. I just figured that you know, it would calm you down just a little bit. The next morning, I wake up, and I go, why did you do that? He goes well, I was just sitting in the basement trying to make contact with whatever is here and I’ve got nothing and I figured that I would just bless every corner of the house and all of you and you will be fine.
Nothing happened since.

We finished out our two-three years there. Moved out. Everything was fine. Nothing happened after he did that.
The landlord comes in, fixes up the whole house makes it awesome. We would have bought it if we would have seen what he was doing to it. The first couple moves in, they make it a year, they move out. The next couple to move in was newly married with a child. They make it a year and they move out. Right now they are on their third tenant. Who hasn’t been there that long? And the only reason I know this is because I’m still friends with the neighbors around that house. But yeah, that’s where I’m at. It is crazy. I just wonder if the minute that we left that house, did it come back? I’ve always wanted to go there and ask them, but it’s kind of crazy to just walk up to somebody else and go, Hey, is there anything weird happening in here? Let me tell you my story. That’s wrong. But yeah, it’s weird.

Jeramiah Pearce
So what do you think your husband saw something?

Lisa
I do because for somebody to sit there and tell you that there’s nothing wrong to now, in the middle of the night blessing the whole house and every person in the house. He had to have seen something.

Jeramiah Pearce
What do you think he might have seen or heard?

Lisa
I don’t know. I think that something happened. Because, okay, I was not a big partier back then I didn’t do anything. I was a lame person and I went to bed at eight o’clock every night. Okay, so I was tired. But he used to stay up every single night. I think either Something happened, and then he decided to try to contact it and something bad happened and then he decided to do it. Something had to scare him so much for him to do that. Because why, why would you grab the holy water?

Jeramiah Pearce
Why would you try to do that if something didn’t happen?

Lisa
Why would you try to contact something you don’t even believe in?

Jeramiah Pearce
Why would you try to protect the place if there’s nothing there?

Lisa
I tried to do my research. I tried to go online and see who lived in the house. I only know what I know from the neighbors. It was an elderly woman, and she was taking care of her handicapped son. She just, you know, gracefully passed away one night. I don’t know anything else.

Jeramiah Pearce
You had a preteen daughter. How old was your daughter at that time?

Lisa
Oh, gosh, 12, 13 maybe.

Jeramiah Pearce
I believe when we were talking before. I had mentioned something about the Poltergeist phenomena. Where young girls going through puberty, they tend to have more stressors in their life. That kind of always brings my attention to that phenomenon. Could it just be something that your daughter might have been doing and not knowing it?

Lisa
I have no idea.

Jeramiah Pearce
Because that’s just crazy. Whenever I hear preteen or whatever I am always like, could it be something of the Poltergeist phenomena?

Lisa
It could

Jeramiah Pearce
It also could not be. That woman loved that place.

Lisa
When we went to go looking at the houses to rent, it was listed on Craigslist. My daughter’s bedroom was furnished the one that my son had was not. I’m sure that he was in the process of moving out. But I found that kind of odd like why is there nothing in this room.

Jeramiah Pearce
I mean, your dog sitting there barking and everything. You know, they say dogs and animals can pick up on that stuff.

Lisa
Yeah, that was my kicker. That’s when I knew there was something not right was the dog. If it was just my son saying Oh, my pillow is talking to me. Oh, there’s a baby deer in my room. To me, that’s just him saying I don’t want to sleep in my room. But then when the dog was growling in the middle of the night, that was crazy. I couldn’t write that one off and the laundry basket.

Jeramiah Pearce
The laundry basket would scare the heck out of me because it’s sitting there and you set the laundry basket there many times I’m sure. It wasn’t going anywhere.

Lisa
Yep, and I pushed the Ottoman up so it would not fall.

Jeramiah Pearce
Then to have it fall on the floor.

Lisa
Yep. because it gave it an extra foot and a half.

Jeramiah Pearce
So good shove off the Ottoman.

Lisa
Yeah, the clothes were everywhere. Like it wasn’t on like the TV or anything but it was all over the floor. Something picked up the basket and dumped it out.

Jeramiah Pearce
That’s scary. Did anything else ever happen? No cupboards rattling, nothing scary like that. That would freak me out.

Lisa
If I would have walked into the house and the kitchen chairs were stacked on top of each other, I would have been out and all of my stuff would still be in there and I’d be out.

Jeramiah Pearce
You know, just the type of stuff just baffles me. Because you can’t explain it. You know, it’s like, there’s no reason for that basket to be dumped over and the clothes were strewn about. There’s no reason for the dog to be barking at something that wasn’t there.

Lisa
I get that he told my husband that somebody had died there. But if something was happening there, maybe you should tell the prospective renters that too. Because you got some people who like that, and want that, you know? And then you got other peoples who are just like, I just want to live my life.

Jeramiah Pearce
Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s not like you were out looking for something.
If your husband would have told you that someone died in the house, would you still have rented the place?

Lisa
I would have asked certain questions like is it haunted. It doesn’t bother me if somebody dies in a house because people die every day. What would bother me is not knowing if it’s, you know if it’s haunted? Like, that would be the only question that I would ask. And if you said Yes, I’d be like, no go. If they said no, I’d be like ok.

It was a lady and her son. Then she died. Then the landlord that we had rented it from purchased it. He got married and they moved into a different house. They needed to rent it out because they were going to fix it up and sell it. He was only there for a couple of years. I went back and looked at the purchase history.

Jeramiah Pearce
You would think you’d have to disclose this stuff?

Lisa
I looked it up. I think it’s only in a couple of certain states that have to disclose that somebody died in a house.

Then my husband wanted to buy the house that’s over by St. Cloud State where a whole family was butchered. I’m not lying. His friend still lives there. They bought it after that happened. They fixed it up. They all lived there because they just got out of high school, whatever it was a party house. The guy wanted to sell it and they still own it. My husband’s friend was like hey, do you want to buy this house? I told him that I would not live there in a million years. I was a child when I saw what happened there.

Jeramiah Pearce
That’s interesting.

Lisa
I am 36 now so I had to have been about seven at the time. I don’t know your listeners, but if they remember a family butchering, that’s the house.

Jeramiah Pearce
I would love to go over to the house by Wilson Park and knock on the door and ask them about it.

Lisa
I like what you said though before, even if they say no, it might plant a little thing in their head to go oh my gosh, that happened and that happened and that happened.

Jeramiah Pearce
Sometimes you don’t realize things are happening. Because your mind is closed off. But once your mind is opened up to it you start to notice.

Lisa
I tried contacting a paranormal investigator but they just never returned my calls or email.
I would like proof so that my husband knows that I am not crazy. Shove it in his face be like, Look, TAPS ain’t got nothing on this.

They had three people move in and then move out of that place. We lived here in our current house since 2015. If you look at the address and look at the sell and purchase date, they’re all one year.

Jeramiah Pearce
You wonder why, like what’s going on? You don’t know the story, you don’t know why they moved out.

Lisa
We rented that house for $1050. When we wanted to move they dropped it to $950. You can’t tell me that a house that is that old that sold for $118,000, that you would have a payment higher than $950. One guy worked at the hospital. So there’s no reason why he couldn’t keep up with the bills, even if it’s at $950 or $1000.

Jeramiah Pearce
That’s a pretty cheap price.

Lisa
Yeah, and that’s a rental price. That’s not even a house payment. It could be like $650, you never know.

Jeramiah Pearce
I know what we pay for a mortgage here. I mean, we’re in Sartell, but you just want the answers. Do you want to know if the place is haunted?

Lisa
I do. I know what happened to me. Do I know for sure if the ghosts came back in? Could it be financial reasons? It could be that they just don’t like the area, whatever. But I find it odd that three people have come into that house and left. At the same time though, if it came back, I want to know. Is it still haunted? Is it malicious? Is it a poltergeist? Is it just a regular, you know, the old woman who loved her house, as you said and if it’s not, it’s not. But it was just, I don’t know, it was so scary to even live there. I can’t imagine if that’s happening now with the people that live there, what they’re thinking in their head.

Jeramiah Pearce
And how long do they plan on staying?

Lisa
If it’s there, it’s not going to be very long because it just gets worse. I mean, nothing ever flew across the room or anything, but you know, it was getting to the point where it was getting worse and worse. I think whatever happened to my husband was the tipping point.

Jeramiah Pearce
I’m a believer that something happened to your husband. If you don’t believe in something, why would you take the time and effort? You didn’t find any ouija boards or anything in the closet?

Lisa
No, but my kids always wanted one and I’m like, no way. Even my 12-year-old and 13-year-old are now like, can we get an ouija board. Not in this house.

Jeramiah Pearce
My wife found a wooden antique ouija board, and she wouldn’t bring it into the house. I wanted to hang on the wall above the TV. It was cool looking.

Lisa
I know we were just over at the house last summer because our title to our car got mailed over there. It was a young girl. She has kids and I’m like, great. There are kids there.

Lisa
We go over to the neighbor’s house every year and they are right next door every fourth of July. We sit in the yard and I just stare over there like waiting for someone to come out so I can ask them.

Jeramiah Pearce
Perfect fire fireworks location.

Lisa
Yeah, it is actually. So what we used to do is we used to have parties on the Fourth of July and the whole neighborhood would come down to our yard and we would sit there, eat food, have a fire, watch fireworks. It’s perfect for us because I just got to close the garage door and bring all the food in and go to bed.

Jeramiah Pearce
Lisa, thank you for being on the show. Thanks for sharing your story. If I find out any information on that house, I will let you know.

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